Goldman Sachs is in the news again, although I think they would prefer not to be on this one.
Somehow that got me thinking about their old janitor.
In 1907 Sidney Weinberg, a grade 7 drop out, started work at Goldman Sachs as an assistant janitor.
After a stint in the Navy during WW I he came back to Goldman and started working as a trader.
In 1927 he became a partner and in 1930 became the head of the firm where he remained until his death in 1969.
During WW II and the Korean War Sidney was also the President of the United States choice for Vice Chairman of the War Production Board.
I wonder what would happen to Sidney if he and his partial grade 7 education started work as an assistant janitor for Goldman Sachs in 2010?
Would he even get the job as the assistant janitor?
You know by now I'm still thinking about my last post on education. Thinking as my daughter enters high school and now has to make choices as far as education goes.
The boys in the tr....g room were asking me how I became a banker if I'm not good at math. Note to boys, read the entire post not just the failure part. Sheesh.
Banking is not about math, banking is about people. A true banker is someone who can decline a loan for a client and still keep that client as a happy customer.
I doubt there are many quants who can do that.
Being able to do the math is not necessary as the machines do it for you. Being able to understand why the machines are spitting out the result is important. You need to know.... (my favourite word).. WHY. Since I wanted to know why I learned the math behind the answers.
As I said I only learn what is relevant to me.
Is this reductionist science as LW stated? I guess so, but I only reduce the mechanical stuff to what is necessary. As far as the history, people, and culture of the business I'm in, I go all out to learn everything. I have read the history of money, gold, oil, banking, bankers, traders, and the corporate histories of the two banks I worked for.
Does that sound like a reductionist?
Sounds more like a nut case.
I find it relevant, so I'm all in, I devour every thing I can get my hands on. I even read about my clients industries if I was not that familiar with them.
I guess the point I am making, and what I gathered from the history of Goldman Sachs and Sidney Weinberg, is that education can never stop. Starting with a BA is a great idea, but if you end there you may wind up as the assistant janitor that never moves beyond the mop.
Education happens every where. It's there in every job you take, every team you're on, with every person you meet, and with every book you read.
Take it all.
I said in my last post I worked in a cattle feedlot after high school. I made it sound like this was a tough job, and it was, but I also learned a great deal there. I eventually bought my own farm and I went back to that feedlot for several winters to work while working my own farm at the same time. I also took that "education" and parlayed it into a job at the University of Alberta's Dept of Animal Science. There I found I knew more about feeding cattle then the PhDs at the university.
Plus I got paid while getting educated, they had to buy theirs.
All in all there are many ways of getting educated and if yours is a little out of the norm don't worry about it.
Sidney Weinberg never did.
4/21/2010
4/14/2010
Why
I just spent a little time helping my daughter with her grade 9 math. This and the Ken Robinson video I watched a few days ago got me thinking back to my school days.
More specifically why I failed math.
I came across the answer a few years ago when I did one of those on line personality tests. Kind of like the Meyers Briggs one, I forget the name of it. It had one paragraph that just absolutely nailed me. I can summarize it in one word, why.
If I don't see, know, or understand why I am being asked to do something I won't do it.
Period.
So now as I looked at my daughter's math homework she got the full brunt of her Dad's mental block.
It was a simple little equation, or polynomial, or something.
It had a letter in it so I asked her are we solving for X?
Answer, no.
Ok, why is X in there.
Answer, I dunno it just is.
Question, why are we doing this, what is the purpose?
Answer, I dunno, Dad go get Mom.
Yes princess.
My wife is the exact opposite of me. She will learn anything, or at least memorize it, and her only concern is getting the highest mark possible.
My only concern is why are we doing this, and I could care less about the mark. 30 years later I still can't do something for no apparent reason, and apparently the reason, we just have to, still doesn't resonate with me.
Now watch the Ken Robinson video.
I did graduate from high school with a diploma. I knew deep down that I wasn't stupid, but I did feel a little stupid after my 12 year stint, and I certainly was a failure as far as the education system was concerned.
After high school I got a job in a cattle feedlot. I made $6.50 an hour and worked 10 hours a day, 12 days on, 2 days off. In the winter you go to work in the dark and come home in the dark.
After a year of that I began to re think this whole education thing.
So I went to the local college and sat down with a councillor. She said I could take high school over again at the college and do it in a year. I said ok. She also stated that based on my high school marks I must take a reading course.
She didn't think I could read.
Now when I said I graduated from high school I mean I found out what the minimum requirements were to graduate and I achieved them. :)
I took all the stupid courses (I think they call them something else), not the matric courses that you needed to go on to university.
My big problem in school was math, I found after failing the first high school math course that I couldn't pass it without doing any of the work. I could pass all the other courses with out doing anything, but not math.
So I took it again and did enough to pass the grade 10 math, and then did enough to get the credits in the grade 11 math, and that was it, that was all you needed to get the diploma.
So now a year later here I am in college, doing all the matric high school courses, math, biology, chemistry, physics, English, and of course "reading".
After 6 years (junior and senior high) of basically failing math I wasn't too confident I could do this.
I still remember my marks from the first four math tests, 92%, 89%, 92%, and 89%.
What happened?
One I tried, two this was my idea, three I was paying for it, and four I was in physics and chemistry at the same time and actually found a use for this new math I was learning. You actually used it in these courses to do something, especially physics.
So I proved to myself that I wasn't stupid and I could do math if I wanted to. I wasn't gifted at it, but I could do it.
This begs the question whose fault was it that I failed math in high school and basically wasted those 3 years?
Ken Robinson suggests the education system was at fault. I would suggest it was my fault. I'm not sure in a mass produced system of public school we can find the individual triggers in every single student that will motivate them to do the work.
So I have to ask myself why didn't I do it? I'm not lazy, I work very hard. But again only on the things I see value or a reason in. This has been a pretty good trait for me as an adult but probably not so good in a teenage boy. As teenage boys by definition are idiots.
Could a teacher have found the right trigger for me? Probably, but it would have taken a very special teacher to reach into my weird psyche and pull out the reason for me to do this work. I think it is too much to ask in a public school system.
My wife (who is a teacher) and I now see this with our children. Children who have inherited some of their Father's "traits". We have meetings with their teachers and we talk about some "individual" programs we can use to help them. But in the end they seem to get stuck back in the herd and left to suffer there.
So it's our job to help them find their passion in life, find it, nurture it, and help them run with it as far as they can go.
More specifically why I failed math.
I came across the answer a few years ago when I did one of those on line personality tests. Kind of like the Meyers Briggs one, I forget the name of it. It had one paragraph that just absolutely nailed me. I can summarize it in one word, why.
If I don't see, know, or understand why I am being asked to do something I won't do it.
Period.
So now as I looked at my daughter's math homework she got the full brunt of her Dad's mental block.
It was a simple little equation, or polynomial, or something.
It had a letter in it so I asked her are we solving for X?
Answer, no.
Ok, why is X in there.
Answer, I dunno it just is.
Question, why are we doing this, what is the purpose?
Answer, I dunno, Dad go get Mom.
Yes princess.
My wife is the exact opposite of me. She will learn anything, or at least memorize it, and her only concern is getting the highest mark possible.
My only concern is why are we doing this, and I could care less about the mark. 30 years later I still can't do something for no apparent reason, and apparently the reason, we just have to, still doesn't resonate with me.
Now watch the Ken Robinson video.
I did graduate from high school with a diploma. I knew deep down that I wasn't stupid, but I did feel a little stupid after my 12 year stint, and I certainly was a failure as far as the education system was concerned.
After high school I got a job in a cattle feedlot. I made $6.50 an hour and worked 10 hours a day, 12 days on, 2 days off. In the winter you go to work in the dark and come home in the dark.
After a year of that I began to re think this whole education thing.
So I went to the local college and sat down with a councillor. She said I could take high school over again at the college and do it in a year. I said ok. She also stated that based on my high school marks I must take a reading course.
She didn't think I could read.
Now when I said I graduated from high school I mean I found out what the minimum requirements were to graduate and I achieved them. :)
I took all the stupid courses (I think they call them something else), not the matric courses that you needed to go on to university.
My big problem in school was math, I found after failing the first high school math course that I couldn't pass it without doing any of the work. I could pass all the other courses with out doing anything, but not math.
So I took it again and did enough to pass the grade 10 math, and then did enough to get the credits in the grade 11 math, and that was it, that was all you needed to get the diploma.
So now a year later here I am in college, doing all the matric high school courses, math, biology, chemistry, physics, English, and of course "reading".
After 6 years (junior and senior high) of basically failing math I wasn't too confident I could do this.
I still remember my marks from the first four math tests, 92%, 89%, 92%, and 89%.
What happened?
One I tried, two this was my idea, three I was paying for it, and four I was in physics and chemistry at the same time and actually found a use for this new math I was learning. You actually used it in these courses to do something, especially physics.
So I proved to myself that I wasn't stupid and I could do math if I wanted to. I wasn't gifted at it, but I could do it.
This begs the question whose fault was it that I failed math in high school and basically wasted those 3 years?
Ken Robinson suggests the education system was at fault. I would suggest it was my fault. I'm not sure in a mass produced system of public school we can find the individual triggers in every single student that will motivate them to do the work.
So I have to ask myself why didn't I do it? I'm not lazy, I work very hard. But again only on the things I see value or a reason in. This has been a pretty good trait for me as an adult but probably not so good in a teenage boy. As teenage boys by definition are idiots.
Could a teacher have found the right trigger for me? Probably, but it would have taken a very special teacher to reach into my weird psyche and pull out the reason for me to do this work. I think it is too much to ask in a public school system.
My wife (who is a teacher) and I now see this with our children. Children who have inherited some of their Father's "traits". We have meetings with their teachers and we talk about some "individual" programs we can use to help them. But in the end they seem to get stuck back in the herd and left to suffer there.
So it's our job to help them find their passion in life, find it, nurture it, and help them run with it as far as they can go.
4/12/2010
I'm Back
That was a short the end.
Yes.
Why are you back?
I keep finding things I want to share, maybe I will even write something I want to share.
Maybe.
What I'm not going to do is talk about trading. I have said all I have to say there.
So I will need to re name the blog, find a new theme, and go from there.
But for now, I'm back.
Yes.
Why are you back?
I keep finding things I want to share, maybe I will even write something I want to share.
Maybe.
What I'm not going to do is talk about trading. I have said all I have to say there.
So I will need to re name the blog, find a new theme, and go from there.
But for now, I'm back.
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